Indicting the Fed Chairman, ICE Door to Door, Myths of Capitalism, and More!
Main Discussion Topics
Department of Justice Investigation of Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell
DOJ opens investigation into Powell after news breaks about building remodeling expenses
Trump applying political pressure to force interest rate cuts
Powell attempting to maintain tight money policy to control inflation and prevent boom-bust cycles
Mark views this as Trump using fabricated investigation to pressure Fed independence
Mark explained: "Trump is trying to apply to him because he wants him to lower interest rates while Powell is trying to keep inflation in check and do the responsible thing, keep a tight money policy so that we don't get these, uh, boom bust cycles that Trump seems to be perfectly fine with."
Mark noted the pattern: "He's using this, uh, this, this, this, uh, a suit against, uh, Powell as a, as a means to try to pressure him into doing his will, the Federal Reserve."
Federal Reserve Independence and Political Manipulation
Discussion of why Fed should be independent of political influence
Trump's motive to create appearance of economic boom before problems hit
Concern that economic disasters will occur at end of Trump administration but affect citizens
Mark analyzed Trump's strategy: "He wants to pretend as if the economy is booming and he knows if he lowers those interest rates, it's gonna stoke the market. It's gonna stoke buying, it's gonna stoke consumers, and it's gonna make it appear that our economy is. Flying high. So he can go on the news and say, look what we're doing."
Mark warned about media coverage: "All his lackeys at Fox News and all his and the literal boot liquors, who, uh, who, who that, that's sincerely what they are. Man, I hate that term because I hear it all the time from Commies, but it's accurate here. These are people who are syco offenses within his administration. They never tell him no, they're gonna be touting these numbers."
Trump Supporter Hypocrisy and Moral Consistency
Michael's frustration with Trump supporters who accuse critics of being "obsessed" with Trump
Personal anecdote about family member repeatedly jumping into political discussions
Challenge to Trump supporters who cannot articulate philosophical frameworks or constitutional principles
Michael's position that he's not talking about all Trump voters, only the sycophantic defenders
Michael stated his position forcefully: "We have the moral high ground as it. It is we who wish to restore the republic. I stand by every motherfuck. Last word right now."
He explained his distinction: "When I'm talking about Trump supporters in this way, I am not talking about everybody who happened to cast a vote for Trump."
Michael challenged his cousin: "What is the philosophical framework from which you're making your moral judgments or from from which you form your Phil, your ethical conclusions? I asked him, what is the fundamental philosophical idea upon which the United States is based? I said, you're talking economics. Can you please differentiate between Austrian keynesianism, the Chicago School and MMT?"
Trump's Authoritarian Pattern
Michael posted about Trump's repeated authoritarian actions
Pattern of executive orders, policy proposals, and laws that violate constitutional principles
Indictments of enemies including Tish James, James Comey, John Bolton
Threats against media companies
Trump claiming ignorance about Powell indictment threats despite making them weeks earlier
Michael outlined the pattern: "Trump repeatedly acts like an authoritarian in his posts, executive orders, policy, proposals and laws he supports those of us who care about liberty repeatedly respond by calling him out. His supporters then say that all we talk about is Trump. We're obsessed. We have TDS spot the lie. Then I said, screw these disingenuous boot liquors and screw the orange idiot to whom they bend the knee."
He assessed Trump's mental state: "Oh, is he demented or is he a liar? Because I'll tell you what, mark, if this was Joe Biden who couldn't remember. He had said someone was gonna be indicted. You'd have the trumpsters all out talking about how he has dementia, how he's retarded, how he can't speak full sentences."
Economic Reality vs. Stock Market Propaganda
Discussion of mixed economic signals under Trump
Manufacturing jobs declining despite tariff promises
Employment numbers showing job losses
Stock market boom potentially indicating bubble rather than health
Comparison to Obama and Biden administrations when Trump supporters didn't tout stock markets
Michael challenged the economic narrative: "I like numbers. What about employment? I like numbers. What about the manufacturing jobs that he was supposed to rescue with his tariffs? All that are going down, all down and declining, right? Yes. You do have a booming stock market. Interesting because when the stock market boomed under Obama, I don't recall all the Trump supporters saying, oh, look how good the economy is."
Michael predicted future consequences: "If Trump gets lower interest rates combined with throwing money into the housing market, combined with caps on credit card interest, you are going to see a debacle, the likes of which you could not imagine. You're gonna have shortages in credit combined with a high demand for credit. You're gonna have investments in the housing market without people not being able to get loans."
Trump's Economic Policy Predictions
Discussion of predicted effects of Trump's economic agenda
Combination of tariffs, credit card interest caps, housing market intervention, and pharmaceutical price controls
Prediction of eventual economic crash from this combination
Historical parallel to COVID lockdowns and money supply expansion causing inflation
Michael made his prediction clear: "If Donald Trump gets his way in, re in regards to the housing market, the credit card market, uh, the, the price controls, and if he wins his case on the tariffs, you're gonna have an economic disaster."
He explained his reasoning: "It is not difficult to predict the effects of lowering overall interest rates by, by injecting money into the system, putting a cap on credit cards, implementing tariffs, and investing money in the housing market. It's not difficult to predict."
Credit Card Interest Rate Caps
Trump proposing caps on credit card interest rates
Analysis of how this would eliminate credit availability
Discussion of risk-based pricing in credit markets
Mark explained the economic reality: "Credit card interest rates are high. It's, they're high because of risk. So high risk people are going to have high interest rates and to prevent the credit card companies from, uh, uh, from ha having that as a, as a hedge against the, uh, against the risk is just, it's, it's asking them to act against their own interests, which is not a, a very capitalistic concept."
Current Economic Conditions
Personal experiences with inflation and rising prices
Mark's grocery shopping costing $60 for five items
Prices 30-40% higher than recent past
Stock market performance not matching lived economic reality
Mark shared his experience: "I go to the grocery store, I buy five things. It's 60 bucks, right? It doesn't even fill a complete grocery bag, right? I mean, 30%, 40% higher on prices for most things that I, that I'm buying right now just to eat."
Capitalism Getting the Blame
Warning that when Trump's policies fail, capitalism will be blamed
Media and politicians will claim deregulation caused the crash
Despite fact that Trump's policies are anti-capitalist interventions
Mark warned: "When these policies fail and they will fail, capitalism will get the blame. Capitalism is gonna get the blame. They're gonna say, look at, he tried to deregulate the market. Look at all the stuff that he tried to do to make us to, to, to free up the market. And that resulted in this massive bubble, this massive bust, this massive, uh, financial disaster. That's what they're going to say."
ICE Masked Agents and Door to Door Operations
JD Vance announces ICE agents going door to door searching for illegal immigrants
Analysis of masked, heavily armed federal agents as un-American practice
Comparison to historical examples of masked government agents
Michael expressed his concern: "We have a situation where the vice President of the United States recently said, I mean, this is, I'm not inventing this, that ICE agents are gonna be going door to door looking for illegal immigrants. That on its own is so un-American."
He connected it to American principles: "If you look at America as partly an idea, the idea that I alluded to earlier with the philosophical foundation of individual rights, civil liberties, then the idea of ice agents going door to door is a goddamn travesty."
Historical Context of Masked Government Agents
Michael researched countries that employed masked agents over last 200 years
List includes Nazi Germany (Gestapo), Chile under Pinochet, Soviet Union (KGB), various Latin American military regimes, Iran under the Shah
Modern US ICE now on that list as of 2025
Michael asked the critical question: "Is this really who we wanna be associated with? Do we really think that somehow what's happening in America right now is the exception? That they're the exception to the rule that masked agents on the streets in unmarked vehicles that are according to the vice president going door to door. Is this the exception throughout history?"
Context of Trump's Broader Authoritarianism
Masked agents combined with indictments of enemies
Threats against media
Fabricated stories about immigrants eating pets
Sycophantic supporters defending all actions
Michael summarized: "When you put it in the context of a president who has now indicted, uh, or three of his enemies is threatening to indict, a fourth, has threatened to, to, to take licenses from media companies that criticize him. When you've got a president and vice president who fabricate stories about immigrants eating cats and dogs, when you have an endless row of sycophants ready to defend them, do we really think that this is going to prove the exception throughout history? I, for one, say no."
Police Accountability and Masked Agents
Chris Noem (Secretary of Homeland Security) rationalizing masked agent policy
Mark's argument that police must be identifiable to public
Identity as check against police power and brutality
Body cameras and accountability as essential safeguards
Mark stated firmly: "The police are there to serve you. You have to know their identity. It is imperative that you know your, their identity. Uh, that is a check against their power. Knowing who they are, what they are, uh, there for, and being able to identify them to the world is exactly what checks their power. And the fact that they're hiding this stuff enables these ice agents to be twice as brutal."
He described the arrests: "If you see these arrests, there's nothing professional about these arrests. There's nothing considerate of the rights did you? Innocent of the people? It is, it's bugs jumping on top of people and throwing them into cars."
Militarized Policing vs. Peace Officers
Distinction between militarized police and peace officers
ICE operating in full military fatigues with weapons
Presumption of guilt rather than innocence in approach
Video evidence of 17-year-old American citizen detained
Mark explained the philosophical shift: "Their duty, their fiduciary duty to the people of the United States of America, or to the individual states in local that they're in, is to protect and serve them, uh, to presume innocence before guilt. And that, that requires an entirely different approach to policing than what they're doing now, which is the presumption of, uh, guilt first and then going in and attacking people and using undue force to, uh, to achieve their ends."
American Citizen Detained by ICE
17-year-old working at Target detained while repeatedly stating he's American citizen
Seven or eight masked ICE officers in army fatigues with weapons on top of teenager
Reports (unconfirmed) that he was dropped off crying eight minutes from pickup location
Video evidence captured of incident
Michael described the incident: "There's some reports, but they haven't been confirmed or denied yet, that he was dropped off eight minutes from where they picked him up and he was crying. But what we do know is he was a 17-year-old American citizen. Detained."
Mark confirmed: "I did see some of the video of that. Some of that is on video, by the way. Seven eight masked ice official officers in full army fatigues with full weapons on top of this 17-year-old kid, by the way, saying the whole time I'm an American citizen list citizen."
Compliance with Unlawful Orders
Discussion of when compliance becomes wrong
Obligation not to comply with unlawful orders
Creates dangerous situation where resistance justifies violence
Different from legitimate law enforcement
Michael argued: "At some point, and I'm not saying we're there yet. Compliance is not the right thing to do. So we can't, we can't just make an argument that, well, if you would just comply. I don't like that argument. I do think that in a legitimate society with a legitimate government, legitimate systems, yes, you should obey lawful orders, but we're with Trump, we're more and more getting away from that."
Mark concurred: "In sense, you have an obligation not to comply with an unlawful order. And, and, uh, so that puts, uh, that puts us in quite a pickle, I think, Michael, because that then gives these militarized police officers who I think have a, a very different mindset than, than a peace officer should have. It gives them the excuse to use physical violence against people, uh, because in a sense, you're resisting an unlawful arrest."
Historical Parallels and Future Concerns
Comparison to slave catchers in American history
Question of whether Americans would comply with historical injustices
Michael's pessimism about finding reasonable political alternatives
Michael expressed despair: "I don't know where we go from here. I, I, like, I don't see somebody down the pike that could get elected, um, that, that could help this. Um, I think Eric Erickson today a, a prominent conservative talk show host who's reasonable. I, I actually enjoy him even when I disagree. You know, he said People hate bullies and Trump looks like a bully. That may be true, and they may vote him out, but then what? With what are they going to replace him? That's the problem. Where is somebody that's taking a, I hate the word moderate, I really do, but a, let's say a reasonable perspective on things. Um, somebody that'll bring back some standards. Of, of decency, of respect for the law of constitutionalism. I don't see it anywhere. Not on either side of the aisle."
Citizens Resisting ICE Arrests
Americans gathering to protect immigrants and film arrests
Woman asking for contact information of arrested person to notify family
Department of Homeland Security attempting to make filming arrests a felony
Mark views this citizen resistance as encouraging
Mark praised citizen action: "Michael, I, I like the fact that people are gathering together and attempting to protect, uh, these immigrants, filming the officers doing what they're doing and exposing what the officers are doing to the world. I think light on this subject is exactly what we need to, to cure it as much as the Department of Homeland Security is trying to make it illegal. And a, a felony, a crime to film these people. Uh, the, the, the more brave people that get out there and film these arrests."
He described what Americans are doing: "In fact, the video that you sent me, a woman was asking for the name and phone number of the person who's being arrested so she could contact his family and get, get them there for him. I think all of this stuff is good. This is Americans binding together with the idea. However, however jaundiced it is of Americanism, of individual rights."
Police State Tactics
Assessment that America is experiencing unprecedented police state tactics
Should offend anyone with sense of individualism
Comparison to historical patterns in American policing
Mark concluded: "This should grate every person who has a sense of the, of individualism in all the wrong ways. This should really grate against you because this we're experiencing police state tactics in an unprecedented manner, or at least, at least it hasn't been. I think around it, it universally, uh, for, for many, many, many, many, many decades."
Trump vs. Liberty - The Fundamental Confusion
Michael's frustration that Trump supporters claim to support liberty
Trump's actual policies: tariffs, credit card interest limits, housing market intervention, pharmaceutical price controls
None of these are capitalist or liberty-oriented policies
Michael demanded clarity: "Stop telling me that the tariff man, that the man who wants to put checks, uh, uh, limits on credit cards, interest on the man who wants to invest in the housing market, put price controls on pharmaceutical companies. Stop telling me he's fighting the left and stop telling me I'm on the left because I oppose him. Because on nearly every issue you could go by. Traditionally, I'm to Trump's right? Not to his left."
He later emphasized: "What I wish they would stop doing, if you wanna support him, support him, but I wish they would stop claiming they're doing it in the name of Liberty. Stop saying it's in the name of the Constitution. And for fuck's sake, stop saying it's in support of capitalism because it's not."
Republican Constitutional Hypocrisy
Republicans supposedly stood for constitutional originalism
Trump completely disregards constitutional limits
Mark's disappointment with Republican abandonment of principles
Mark expressed his frustration: "The scariest part of is of this Trump administration, Michael, is, is not so much his economic ignorance, not so much his political ignorance and his boorishness, it's his disregard for the constitution. Right? The one thing the Republicans were supposed to fucking stand for was constitutional originalism, for Christ's sakes."
Capitalist Success Despite Government Obstacles
Entrepreneurs and manufacturers finding creative ways around tariffs
Capitalism succeeding despite obstacles politicians create
Heroes who navigate complicated systems to deliver products
Mark praised entrepreneurs: "When he first started, uh, trying to implement his one as tariffs, I mean, it was the, it was the manufacturers, it was the entrepreneurs out there who were figuring out ways to get all of those assets to us more cheaply. And so they, they figured out very, very creative ways of skirting around the tariffs so that we could get. Access to those products."
He emphasized their heroism: "They are able to navigate this complicated system of obstacles that politicians put in their way and still enable us to get stuff better than anywhere else in the world. For that they are heroes and they are under, under recognized for being able to navigate this shit system that the political parasites in Washington put in front of them."
Andy Bernstein and Trump Propaganda
Prominent Objectivist intellectual Andy Bernstein posting ICE propaganda
Uncritically accepting government list of criminals arrested
Justifying ICE assault on woman based on agent's footage
Calling for arrest of "leftist agitators" who obstruct ICE
Michael's disappointment with friend's loss of objectivity
Michael responded emotionally: "From Andy, from Andy Bernstein on Facebook, ice has released a list of some of the malfactors they've arrested during their surge in Minnesota. Take a look at it. It includes convicted murderers, child rapists, and other violent criminals. I posted it on my wall. It's chilling. He's posting government propaganda, is what he's posting."
He concluded with sadness: "Andy Bernstein, for the love of everything, holy, you're not the good guy. You're my dear friend and I love you. You're not the good guy. Trump is not the good guy. Ice are not the good guys. They're there to enforce unconstitutional immigration laws. You're not for freedom. They aren't fucking heroes."
Objectivist Trump Support Problem
Group of prominent Objectivists supporting Trump uncritically
Includes Andy Bernstein, Ed Mazlish, David Harriman, Mike Hurd
Michael has offered to debate all of them, none accept
Only consume media from "Trump-istan"
Michael described the issue: "That whole objectivist sort of, uh, trumpet stand group, they've got there. Andy Bernstein, ed Ma, David Harriman, uh, Mike Herd. There's a whole slew of them. I've offered to debate every single one of them. I've got a track record a mile long of having respectful debates, including with Andy. Not one of them accepts, which to me, I thought, I thought Andy."
He assessed their knowledge: "He will not watch any media outside of Trump Istan. He literally does not know. It is all propaganda filling his head at this point."
Objectivist Intellectual Responsibility
Objectivists should examine all sources to assess truth
Responsibility for mental health requires intellectual honesty
Mark's sadness about Bernstein's intellectual decline
Mark expressed disappointment: "That's anti objectivist. I mean, an objective should, of course it is. All of that stuff to try to assess the truth. Uh, that's his responsibility. I mean, it's his responsibility for his, uh, for the health of his own mind. For crying out loud, this is, this is very sad to me because I've, I've loved a lot of the stuff that Andy said in the past and some of the stuff that he's written in the past, mark, but he's completely lost the plot over this."
Left vs. Right or Individualism vs. Collectivism
Commenter points out proper framework is not left vs. right
Real battle is individuals vs. collectivists
Michael and Mark agree but go further
Mark endorsed the distinction: "The litmus test is, is are you fighting a battle, uh, between the left and the right, or are you fighting a battle between individual individuals and Collectivists? I agree with that."
Michael took it further: "I think it's good versus evil."
Myths of Capitalism - Foundation for Economic Education Article
Mark shares article debunking common capitalist myths
Important for understanding how to vote and avoid political parasites
Mark posted on X account
Mark promoted it: "Myths of Capitalism, this is a great article. I reposted it, it's a foundation of economic education. I put it on my, on my ex account. If you wanna see it, maybe Mike will post it on his. Um, but I think everybody should read this article. If you want to vote properly, if you don't want to be taken in by the parasitic political class and their fucking bullshit, like the unfortunate people in, uh, New York City have been taken in by Mom Donny, you'll read this article."
Myth 1: Capitalism Was Created
Socialism is planned and created by design
Capitalism evolved naturally from human interaction
Not an invention but spontaneous order from trade and production
Michael explained: "Capitalism is an evolved spontaneous order that it's what happens when people. Trade with each other. When people build, when people produce, I should have put that in the other order. When people, uh, uh, build, when people produce, when people save, when people trade, capitalism, markets are what occur."
He added the political dimension: "You also have to have political systems evolve along with it, you know, uh, rule of law. Uh, individual liberty, things of that nature have to evolve with it. So in that sense, it's been argued that the market is a government creation. I would think that that actually could be flipped and say that market relations are what creates the proper kind of government. But they're two, I believe, are kind of, uh, what's the word I'm looking for? Uh, reciprocal, reciprocal causation."
Myth 2: Capitalism Creates Poverty
Poverty is the natural state of mankind throughout history
Capitalism lifted humanity out of poverty
Freer and more capitalistic countries are wealthier
American poor have living standards inconceivable to wealthy 50 years ago
Mark challenged the myth: "The myth of capitalism creating, uh, creating poverty because it's a myth that socialists love to push forward, irrespective of all the evidence that the freer and more capitalistic a country, the richer it is."
He detailed American poverty: "The poor here in America, Michael, so many of them considered poor, have homes, have a couple of cars, have televisions, have iPhones, microwave ovens. They have things that, you know, were inconceivable to the wealthy only 50 years ago."
Michael cited Thomas Sowell: "Poverty is the natural state, right? Poverty. I think that's a very important thing to make clear to people by the way. It is. There is no affluence in, in, in nature. Right. It doesn't, it has to, affluence has to be produced. And not only in that sense, but for the vast majority of mankind's history. Poverty has been the rule. Starvation, early death, infant mortality has been the rule. It's capitalism that's brought us out of that."
Myth 3: Capitalism Is About Capital
Marx coined the term to make it about profit and capital
Really about liberty and moral agency
100% choice over your life and actions
Human dignity comes from capacity to think and act freely
Mark made the moral case: "Capitalism is really about liberty. It's about 100% choice, 100% moral agency over your life, over every aspect of your actions. That's where your human dignity is in your capacity to think and act on what you think without being forced into doing something that somebody else. Per somebody else's preferences."
He asked why this isn't more popular: "Capital is really not a, capitalism isn't really about capitalism, it's about liberty. What do you say to that? Because I think that is the greatest selling point of capitalism of all time. Uh, why isn't it more popular then? Why aren't, why aren't people, why aren't people seeing that capitalism is really just about being free?"
Myth 4: Capitalism Creates Winners and Losers
All economic systems have winners and losers
Life itself has winners and losers
In capitalism, winners produce values people want
Both parties win in voluntary exchange
In socialism, winners are chosen by bureaucrats
Mark contrasted systems: "Winners and losers in a socialist system are, are winners by virtue of their political connections. They're winners by bureaucrats who happen to, uh, prefer them over, over others. In, in capitalism, uh, the winners are those who produce values that people want and exchange freely with. And so both people, in essence, are winners."
Michael added: "Life has winners and losers. Life entails the possibility of failure. And given the numbers and given free will and that people are not infallible, some people are gonna fail, some people are gonna succeed. Capitalism doesn't produce that."
American Capitalist Party Progress
Making moves in Georgia, Alabama, and New York
Expressing voice and affecting change
90% of people dissatisfied with political establishment
People want something different - individualism
Mark promoted the party: "Go to go to american capitalist party.org, read the policies, donate, be a part of the change. We're making moves in Georgia. We're making moves in Alabama. We're making moves in, in, uh, in New York. We're really, really, I, I think starting to ex ex express our voice and get out there in the world and affect. Change."
Notable Quotes
Mark on Federal Reserve Independence: "The Federal Reserve. As much as it sucks. And all of us here, I think, agree that we would prefer a free banking system to a Federal reserve... To the extent that there is a Federal Reserve. It's supposed to be independent of politics, so not influenced by political will, and particularly not the whims of this particular president."
Michael on Trump's Authoritarianism: "We have a totalitarian president. Now, people will frequently chime in and say, oh, well it's you. It's not a totalitarian country. 'cause you can critique Trump. Yes I can. Because there are still some limits on him. But if Trump had his druthers, I would not be able to criticize him. You would not be able to criticize him."
Mark on Economic Disaster Blame: "When these policies fail and they will fail, capitalism will get the blame. They're gonna say, look at, he tried to deregulate the market. Look at all the stuff that he tried to do to make us to, to, to free up the market. And that resulted in this massive bubble, this massive bust, this massive, uh, financial disaster."
Michael on Masked Government Agents: "I started to think about when in history has government agents and masks been looked at as being on the team of the good guys."
Mark on Police Accountability: "The police are there to serve you. You have to know their identity. It is imperative that you know your, their identity. Uh, that is a check against their power. Knowing who they are, what they are, uh, there for, and being able to identify them to the world is exactly what checks their power."
Mark on Entrepreneurs as Heroes: "They are able to navigate this complicated system of obstacles that politicians put in their way and still enable us to get stuff better than anywhere else in the world. For that they are heroes and they are under, under recognized for being able to navigate this shit system that the political parasites in Washington put in front of them."
Mark on Republican Constitutional Betrayal: "The scariest part of is of this Trump administration, Michael, is, is not so much his economic ignorance, not so much his political ignorance and his boorishness, it's his disregard for the constitution. Right? The one thing the Republicans were supposed to fucking stand for was constitutional originalism, for Christ's sakes."
Michael on Trump Supporters' Contradiction: "Stop telling me that the tariff man, that the man who wants to put checks, uh, uh, limits on credit cards, interest on the man who wants to invest in the housing market, put price controls on pharmaceutical companies. Stop telling me he's fighting the left and stop telling me I'm on the left because I oppose him."
Mark on Police State Tactics: "This should grate every person who has a sense of the, of individualism in all the wrong ways. This should really grate against you because this we're experiencing police state tactics in an unprecedented manner."
Mark on Capitalism's True Nature: "Capitalism is really about liberty. It's about 100% choice, 100% moral agency over your life, over every aspect of your actions. That's where your human dignity is in your capacity to think and act on what you think without being forced into doing something that somebody else. Per somebody else's preferences."
Key Themes
Federal Reserve independence from political pressure
Trump's authoritarian pattern and constitutional violations
Masked federal agents and police state tactics
Capitalism succeeding despite government obstacles
Myths about capitalism and economic systems
Individual rights vs. government power
Republican betrayal of constitutional principles
Objectivist intellectuals losing their principles
Individualism vs. collectivism as proper political framework
Capitalist Thought of the Day
"This is a benevolent universe that we are fighting for here in the capitalist corner, and that the American Capitalist party is fighting for us. Capitalism is a win-win world, folks. It's a win-win world because everybody is free to choose. That's your vote. You vote for a product when you give it your dollar. And that product is a value that you desire more than the dollar you possess. And so that's the kind of world that we want folks. A world in which you are free to choose. Free to choose in every aspect of your life." - Mark